A Christian Experience

A Christian Experience

Most religious followers believe that some of their fellow humans are going to a "hell" that is separate from this world.  This creates major conflict in the mind which manifests as conflict in our lives and in the world.

When these self limiting beliefs are confronted with the truth, the followers tend to become fearful and perceive themselves as being victimized by the one exposing that which is limiting them.  Each person has the built-in ability to work through religious fear and self-victimization, but the first step is directing ones own awareness upon the beliefs that are causing them struggle.

Below is a transcript of one of my recent experiences with devout Christians on Facebook.  I have taken out all profile pictures and last names (except mine) in order to protect the identity of those who contributed.

Colin.... If you haven't committed your life to Christ I strongly recommend it. Not only does it positively impact your eternal destination but it drastically improves your daily life as well. He does not promise to make it easier, per say, but knowing Him and experiencing His grace will help ease your mind, lighten your load and lessen your burden. AMEN!

-Sharaih

AMEN!~ xoxo

February 5 at 10:37pm

Colin

Amen is right sista. I hope you are doing well; I know the Lord has you on a good path! xoxo

February 5 at 10:50pm

Kathy

Amen! Amen!

February 5 at 11:29pm

Jeffry

AMEN BROTHA!

February 6 at 9:36am

Hope Johnson

A stable mind IS an easy life. The idea that we have a heavy load or a burden is only a matter is perspective. It's good to hear that your perspective is being directed toward peace of mind - which is the birthright of every person. ♥

February 6 at 9:53am ·

Rob

Amen brother, You are so right, Jesus said "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and You will find rest for your souls. "For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
Matt 11:28-30

February 6 at 4:25pm

Jill

"Lead me to the cross
Where Your love poured out
Bring me to my knees
Lord I lay me down
Rid me of myself
I belong to You"

February 6 at 4:39pm

Colin

Amen Rob, I love that passage from Matthew 11; thank you for sharing.

February 6 at 5:42pm

Colin

Jill, I Love your comment; so spot on!
Jeffry, good to see you on here and loving the Lord as well. I could not imagine my life without Christ firmly planted and rooted in the middle of it. Covering me with his abundant grace and love.

February 6 at 5:44pm

Hope Johnson

God is the source of all things, and since Christ is God, he is firmly rooted in the center of everyone's lives. God is the one witnessing life experiences through our eyes and the same one that creates and sustains our being. There is no way we can even be separate.

February 6 at 6:31pm ·

Rob

Jesus said: "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world......Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; Matt 25:31-34&41

February 7 at 4:02am

Hope Johnson

Know the voice of fear by its feeling. All conflict, struggle and burden in the mind originate from thoughts that evoke extreme emotions. God is Love - let your thoughts be centered there and find eternal peace. ♥

February 7 at 6:00am ·

Rob

Know the voice of Jesus: "Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. "I and the Father are one ."John 10:25-30

February 7 at 11:48am

Jill

Hey Colin, look what you did :) I love you!

February 7 at 12:05pm

Hope Johnson

Life is infinite, but each life experience is a gift of opportunity to live Love in every moment.

Love is at the center of every person, and it cannot be "snatched" by anyone or anything. Love is never lost - it only becomes shrouded by individual thoughts that resist its Divine rhythm and flow.

All are Love, all are God, smile!

February 7 at 12:21pm ·

Hope Johnson

Yes Colin. Look what you did! Thank you. I love all of you. ♥

February 7 at 12:24pm ·

Rob

"This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time'
1 Tim 2:3-6

February 7 at 1:24pm

Rob

What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; as it is written,
" There is none righteous, not even one;
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one."
" Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,"
" The poison of asps is under their lips";
" Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness";
" Their feet are swift to shed blood,
Destruction and misery are in their paths,
And the path of peace have they not known."
" There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Romans 3:9-18

February 7 at 1:30pm

Rob

Jesus said: "But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.19 "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications , thefts, false witness, slanders.20 "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man."
Matt 15:18-20

February 7 at 1:33pm

Rob

"For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death.22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit , resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 6:20-23

February 7 at 1:36pm

Hope Johnson

The key to living God's will is to unify the human self with the infinite Self. For further clarification of this understanding, please refer to my latest article: http://www.thewaytotheway.com/2010/02/08/i-am-the-infinite-i-am/

February 8 at 7:09am ·

Rob

"So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. "And the son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.' "But the father said to his slaves, 'Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet; and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate; for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.' And they began to celebrate. Luke 15:20-24 " We're praying to YHWH (Yahweh, Jehovah; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; The True and Living God) for your return.

Tue at 5:30am

Hope Johnson

One of my all time favorite Bible stories! No matter how much or for how long we forget who we are, we are always welcome and always loved. Its just a matter of remembering that you are the real YOU and not your self image.

Tue at 6:50am ·

Jill

I hope that you will remember who you are, you are a child of God and you will always be welcome and loved by our Father.
There will be a point in your life when it is too late to "return home" to our Father and no matter how enlightened you feel now you will see the Light.

Tue at 2:51pm

Hope Johnson

I am the Light! This is not a test, and there is no time in eternity other than now. The past is just memories and the future is pure potential, but now is the pivot point from which creation unfolds.

Jesus understood this when he said repeatedly and urgently that The Kingdom of God is at Hand. Instead of heeding these important words, organized religion is doing the same thing 2000 years later - as if "at hand" meant sometime in the very distant future - and conforming to their belief system and biblical interpretation will get you there.

Heaven is not behind a cloud or on some distant planet somewhere in the future. It is within each of us. Embrace it and radiate it through your very presence in this world.

Tue at 4:15pm ·

Jill

No it is not a test and yes there is no time in eternity it will have no end. The past cannot be changed and we are not promised tomorrow.
The kingdom of God is at hand meaning you will not know the future and when Christ will return. Are you ready? I think not. I do not believe "at hand" to be some time in the distant future but a time unknown to me. As far as Biblical interpretation I would like to point out how you continually make interpretations with out any substance to support the outlandish claims. You also seem to enjoy picking and choosing the things that make you feel "warm and fuzzy" but it is to be taken as a whole with a bulit in warning at the very end to makle sure people do not add to or take from the "complete word of God".
You are not God, I Am, Christ, Heaven ... you are not convincing anyone here to change our thinking and I am sorry to admit that you are beyond what I would consider to be reachable by normal human efforts. Fortunately for you God is much more than you can ever be on your own and nothing is impossible for Him. Therefore, I will continue to pray for you, your family and all who you have communications with. There are very lost people out there who unfortunately can be persuaded by you.

Colin- I love you and am done with this. Let's talk elsewhere :o)

Tue at 7:17pm

Hope Johnson

I am not God on my own, and neither is anyone else. We are ALL God in the sense that God is the source of our spirit.

As soon as we understand that the self image is not our real identity, we can realize that our higher consciousness IS God. Or we can continue identifying with the ego self, and be followers because we are afraid not to.

Either way, all are loved, and we get as many chances as necessary to make the connection with our real Self. In the meantime, our lives and the world will continue to manifest as a representation of the thoughts that creates them.

I love you Jill. This message is nothing to be afraid of. I'm just a part of you presenting an opportunity to see yourself without the shroud of the self image. You don't have to change your religion to do that - just open your mind let go of fear. The rest is easy!

Wed at 7:44am ·

Jill

You think I am afraid of you? I am afraid for you. My self image is fine (I don't know you and you have no idea who I am). You can try all you want to make yourself sound like a better person than I am. I am not trying to manipulate anyone.
I am sorry that you made the choice to deny God as the Creator and Ruler over all, but denying His authority over you will not change the truth. The truth is that He has always been here, will always be here and you are but a speck in time. Christ and the Holy Spirit are the only others from the beginning with God. You are not as important as you think you are.
Get back to me when you have created something from nothing. Get back to me when you can raise the dead and have been raised. Get back to me when you can walk on water. Get back to me when you can feed thousands with the contents of your son's lunchbox. Get back to me when you can heal the blind, deaf, leper etc. Get back to me when Satan and his demons are afraid of you. Get back to me when...well you get it.
But don't get back to me with more of your "messages of self". Self confidence and self assurance can be a very bad thing it can make one believe they can do anything. Even good things can get you into trouble.

Wed at 8:14am

Hope Johnson

Fear is fear. Even if we believe we are directing it toward something or somewhere else, it is an emotion that resists the balanced flow of spirit to us and through us.

I do not know your self image, but I know your real Self - powerful, pure, Unconditional Love, and free of emotions, burden and struggle.

God is not a thing in existence - God is existence itself. Jill and Hope exist in this time-space experience, but the energy that sustains our personas is none other than the Divine, the Infinite, the All Knowing - Existence.
With much love, admiration, and appreciation for this delightful discussion.

Wed at 9:18am ·

Rob

Hope, if you don't believe everything that Jesus said, you must think he is a liar or wrong an awful lot. Why would you quote a liar to back your position? Jesus is my Lord and savior, So let’s talk about all that He said. Jesus said "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. "So then, you will know them by their fruits. Matt 7:15-20

Wed at 12:36pm

Rob

Jesus says heaven and earth are two differnt places."Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.20 "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal;21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.Matt 6:19-21

Wed at 12:37pm

Rob

Jesus said "Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel.11 "I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 8:10-12

Wed at 12:41pm

Rob

Jesus said: "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels."So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. "Then The righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
Matt 13:37-43

Wed at 12:47pm

Rob

Jesus said: "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind; and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away."So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 13:47-50

Wed at 12:48pm

Rob

Jesus Said "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. "For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? "For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds .
"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
Matt 16:24-28

Wed at 12:50pm

Hope Johnson

Jesus was not a liar, just misunderstood by the masses. It's the same now as it was back then.

There is so much to understand from the verses quoted above, yet so little understanding. Heaven is not literally a different place. It's all about how we identify ourselves - whether we identify ourselves as the self we have created through memory, or as the Divine spirit that is the source of our being.

Jesus came to let us know that anyone can have this connection to the source no matter their deeds, social status, etc. He consistently railed against organized religion of that day because they were all about ritual, doctrine and control - with no substance.

Not much has changed. We must have the eyes to see and the ears to hear, otherwise the message is missed.

Consider that most Christians are missing the message. If you have the courage to do so, forget your religious conditioning and look with a childlike mind. Then you can be like an empty vessel, prepared to see a far more meaningful meaning behind and between the actual words.

Not being of this world means not having our perception affected by it. This is the most difficult thing to be done, and the one thing that allows us to radiate with the Divine Light.

All of the rituals and conditioned beliefs just comfort the self image while disregarding the spirit.

Wed at 2:02pm ·

Rob

Hope, are you stating that the words of Jesus were not transcribed accurately in the original Greek (in which case how would know what Jesus came for?) Or that the more than 5600 Greek manuscripts with a 99.5% agreement have not been translated in to English correctly? (in which case are you a Greek scholar?)

Wed at 6:50pm

Colin

Rob and Jill, thank you for sharing so many wonderful scriptures to enlighten and encourage us during this challenging time for our world. There is so much deception and trickery that Satan is spreading throughout society; many people are being mislead and don't even realize it. Everything must be taken back to The Word; if it measures up then it is sound doctrine, if not watch out. Remain strong in your faith, continually seeking God and He will find you where you are at.

Wed at 9:29pm

Jill

Agreed Colin. The problem with deception is that it is so deceiving. But if you are grounding yourself in The Word, The Holy Spirit will be keeping alert for "the deceiver" on your behalf. How awesome to be able to spot the deception before it gets ahold of you.
I love you, bro. Hope you get a business trip here soon :)

Yesterday at 4:27am

Hope Johnson

Rob - it's not so much about the words themselves. It's about the meaning behind them. The words of Jesus are for you and me, to be taken personally - not to be interpreted by religious society.

What is being referring to as The Word was voted on by a Roman council. Indeed, much of what Jesus said has been edited or omitted as "not authorized". Staking one's whole life on an "authorized" version of the Bible sounds a lot more like superstition than spirituality.

Also, believing that some of your fellow humans are evil or deceitful because they don't fall lock step with your world view is a heavy burden for the mind to bear. This is actually a form of self punishment that causes much unnessary suffering.

I'm grateful to see each of you just as worthy of God's Kingdom as everyone else.

With much love and abundant blessings.

Yesterday at 7:48am ·

Jill

Just answer the question that is being asked (for once). Be clear and put your money where your mouth is (so to speak). If you think you are soooo right in your "religious beliefs" then be clear in what you beleive.

"Hope, are you stating that the words of Jesus were not transcribed accurately in the original Greek (in which case how would know what Jesus came for?) Or that the more than 5600 Greek manuscripts with a 99.5% agreement have not been translated in to English correctly? (in which case are you a Greek scholar?)"
(per Rob's previous post)

Just answer.

Yesterday at 9:39am

Hope Johnson

Jill - you seem to be in a battle right now. There is no conflict here, and nobody to prove right or wrong. You're only engaging me out of your own soul's intention to be found and acknowledged by you.

Spirituality isn't a group journey, it is a personal one. It isn't found by looking at anything in the material world - it is only found within.

When you connect with your real Self, this need to fight against "others" and prove your ego "right" will subside, and in every moment you will find peace.

To answer your question, I know because Jesus is the real me and I am him. There is no separation.

Wisdom of this world is foolishness with God - yet you only accept proof in the form of scholarly degrees and authorized writings to support your relationship with the Divine.

I invite you to rest, be peaceful, and let the beautiful rhythm of your awareness lead you home. You are Unconditional Love - let that be your guide.

Yesterday at 10:33am ·

Jill

"Jesus was not a liar, just misunderstood by the masses"
(as per Hope's previous post)

"Hope, are you stating that the words of Jesus were not transcribed accurately in the original Greek (in which case how would know what Jesus came for?) Or that the more than 5600 Greek manuscripts with a 99.5% agreement have not been translated in to English correctly? (in which case are you a Greek scholar?)"
(per Rob's previous post)

Answer this question...You are throwing a bunch of words out at a question that only requires a simple answer in order to try to hide the fact that you can't really give an answer.
Where exactly do you think the problem lies? How has the misunderstanding occurred? in the transcription or the translation of the manuscripts?

Yesterday at 10:46am

Hope Johnson

Your question has been answered - just not in the manner you expected. Look again. Nothing is being hidden - it's all in plain sight if you give yourself the eyes to see it. ♥

Yesterday at 11:16am ·

Jill

I suppose that not giving a clear answer is in itself an answer. Maybe this inability to clearly respond to direct questions without feeling the need to hide behind lots of "filler" and "fluff" will cause you to want to get more answers for yourself. Maybe you are finding it a little troubling to not really know what you really believe or why. I would like to suggest that you investigate this further on your own and I will pray for clarity for you from the Holy Spirit. If you are actively seeking honest answers you will find them. But be surprised by what you discover because deep down in your soul I know that you know that you are missing "something". That something is God.

Yesterday at 11:36am

Jill

I think you cannot give an answer about Christ becasue this whole "I am god" way of thinking is intended to take Christ out of the equation. If Satan can do that then he thinks he has won because he knows that the ONLY way to The Father is through Christ and if you make Christ a non-issue by calling yourself god then you cannot get to God.

Yesterday at 11:52am

Hope Johnson

God is existence. That means everything in existence can't help but be God. Satan is only real inasmuch as it is created in the mind. In that regard it/he can only "win" to the extent that we lack understanding.

Do you understand what going "through" Christ means? Does one literally go through his body, or does this have a figurative meaning to you?

Why do you fear for me? Is it because you Love me and don't want me to suffer? If I don't end up suffering, will you be wrong? Either way, does this belief give you peace?

Does simply believing, worshipping and following the group mean that you have a free ticket to this Heaven that exists somewhere else, or can we have a personal connection here and feel Heaven now?

These are not questions that I want you to answer for me, but an invitation to look within for the answers.

Yesterday at 12:33pm ·

Rob

Hope, If you are Jesus like you claim, why did you warn us of people like you comming and claiming to be Jesus? "And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ ,' and will mislead many.Matt 24:4-5
Wouldn't this be a really stupid thing to say if you belived that all are Jesus as you claim.

Yesterday at 1:26pm

Hope Johnson

I am just as much Jesus as I am the real you. We are all connected. I'm not saying I'm him and you should follow me.

The ones coming in his name trying to deceive you are those who insist that you must believe a certain way, follow certain rituals, and abide by group rules - instead of your inner guidance. This happened shortly after his death and is still happening today.

Yesterday at 2:35pm ·

Rob

Hope, the fact is: Jesus is not a pantheist. No matter how much you want to misinterpret some of His words and ignore the rest, His teachings just don’t fit pantheism. Maybe you should just stick to quoting your fellow pantheists, Hume, Spinoza, and the like; those that prescribe to your world view.
If you’re going to speak of Jesus’ teachings please reference them, so you do not mislead others. Is it too much too ask that you let us Christians live a surrendered life to Christ in the peace that is beyond understanding. What do you have to gain by being a stumbling block, if this life is heaven and when we pass we are absorbed into all (like you teach), let us be?
If the teaching of God (Yahweh, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) is correct we have so much to look forward to, why do you want to take our hope from us? We don’t live in fear; we live in Joy, peace and are Loved unconditionally by our Heavenly Father, who has adopted us as sons. Hope, the God of the Bible Loves you so much that he will not force you to choose Him, even though it is His will that all should come to repentance, He is willing to set aside His will, so that you can apply your own will, If that is what you want.

Yesterday at 6:55pm

Hope Johnson

Nobody and nothing can be a stumbling block when we have understanding. Indeed, when we have real understanding, we love to be challenged, because each challenge only serves to make us stronger.

The simple truth is that most religious followers live with conflict because they believe that non-believers are going to hell. You want so badly to believe that you are “right” that you’re willing to see your fellow humans in hell because they were “wrong”.

If this is what a majority of people consider peace, it is no wonder there is so much conflict in the world.

about an hour ago ·

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