The Way to the way &#187; divine

So true!

February 20 at 5:29pm

Thank you for posting such a rich topic for discussion!

Both truth and untruth are only perceptions of the mind. But our spirit is not of the mind - our spirit is unified with the Divine at a level where mind does not exist.

Through our minds we can become so attached to OUR truth that we fear truth from another perspective. But when we are consolidated with our own truth, we can accept all others because understanding one another cannot harm or distort our truth

Conversely, when we have adopted the truth of another person or group, our truth is a fragile belief - not truth of understanding. This is the basis of fear, and fear is the ultimate illusion.

February 21 at 10:29am ·

Truth is not a perception. There is only one absolute truth and Jesus Christ is it.

February 21 at 11:37am

That's absolute truth from your perception Ryan. Someone raised in a different culture might perceive Mohammed or Budda to be the absolute truth.

February 21 at 2:45pm ·

.....and they would be wrong.................that's the TRUTH!!

February 21 at 5:07pm

I like the way you think Michael!

February 21 at 5:33pm

Exactly guys! Perception is a result of an individual's thinking process. To think that your own is "right" and others that don't agree with it are "wrong" is exactly what makes it a matter of perception.

February 22 at 7:28am ·

I am confused as to how someone could think there can be so many different truths, based on someone's perspective. Especially when those 'truths' can oppose the other. I hate to be extreme, but, my mind immediately goes to those who are a part of Al Qaeda . Clearly their 'truth' is to come to the US and obliterate us and our land with suicidal bombers, etc. Should we stop defending and try to understand their 'truth'? Obviously it is their 'truth' if they are willing to die for it.

February 22 at 3:20pm

Agreed Erika. Relativity in truth only exists for those that want to reject it. It is comedic to me how the masses accept man made truth. And yes, Budah, Mohammed, Osama, and Obama are ALL man made truths. Don't think so? Better go re-read their books.

February 22 at 3:41pm

Hi Erika! Any truth that opposes another truth is perspective. Without the filter of mind, there is no opposition - everything is unified.

As for Al Queda, you and I are in no position to decide either way about war, but if we can project acceptance and a willingness to understand from our own perspective - we are creating peace. Everything else is fear, and we've enough of that in the world already.

February 22 at 4:05pm ·

Hi Hope!
What confuses me is that we would be trying to understand Al-Qaeda from our own perspective- which is nothing like their perspective. That is fine, however, it would be nearly impossible to understand.

Another issue: perhaps someone is deeply upset with you, and they decide to hurt one of your loved ones. In their mind, it would be for a legitimate reason, they believe it to be OK, therefore, being true to themselves, they act out on what they believe in, resulting in pain on your end.
Al-Qaeda does the same thing. The leader is so influential that the followers would take their own lives, and have their own children do the same in order to act out on their truths. Its true for them! How could it be bad that they crash our airplanes into our buildings? or bomb different government buildings. If no one's perception can be wrong, why do we see this as terrorism? I am not talking about war. I am referring to malicious attacks on our country because of some heartless power hungry leader in another country decided they want to rule the world, and brainwash and abuse those around them to obtain their selfish desires.

Something less traumatic: The economy is going through a rough time. Should people that don't have jobs be able to steal food and water in order to provide for their families? Given the circumstance, they would believe they deserve it after the 'bad luck' they may have experienced, and it is obvious that they need the minimum essentials in order to survive.

If people are entitled to their own "truth's", I TRUELY believe that mayhem would break loose completely, and peace would merely be something people once hoped for.

I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
—John 16:33

February 22 at 4:37pm

Ryan - All truths are man made. Truth and untruth are two sides of the same coin - which manifest as one or the other depending on who's looking.

Religion is for those of us who seek spirituality yet perceive reality through the prism of mind. Belief systems help to make sense of the senseless and to explain the unexplainable, but we choose which one to accept as truth.

Every believer finds every other religion comical. So while you are laughing at others and calling them wrong - they are doing the same to you.

This creates polarity between people, and is the reason for much conflict.

While religion is useful for those who have not yet developed depth of understanding, attachment to the one we call ours is rejection and even fear of all others - and that is seed of war.

It is possible to have any religion we choose without fear of others - and just taking that step leads to deeper understanding and improves our shared reality.

February 22 at 4:40pm ·

I don't have fear of other religions. I don't focus on things that I reject, that will get you no where in life. I focus on the truth that God is the creator of everyone, even those who believe God doesn't exist. Because of sinful nature, God sacrificed his son, Jesus Christ, who has paid for our sins. You are given free life, and so many people reject the greatest gift.

February 22 at 4:45pm

The Word of God is the only truth that need be discussed - and shouted from all the ends of the earth!. The rest is manufactured, by man, to satisfy his selfish needs and desires. Hope, no disrespect, but you talk in circles a lot without any substance or facts. I believe that to be very dangerous as it could be very misleading to so many people. Any blatant misdirection away from God's loving arms leads to eternal damnation. That's not my rule; it is God's. God the Father, the Creator of Heaven and Earth and everything that exists. As the creator of life, His word is the the Absolute Truth. Nothing can be added to it nor taken away from it. I am not suggesting that you are trying to impose your will on mankind but just because you choose to reject the absolute truth of God and our risen savior Jesus Christ, does not discount their existence and authority over all living creatures - including you. Jesus Christ, our living God, is the Way, the Truth and the Life - no one will get to The Father except through him - no one! I don't care how warm and fuzzy your words are; if they are not biblically based and cannot pass the judgement seat of God then they really don't count. Not on an eternal level and that is all that matters. We will all spend eternity in one of two places - I know where I will spend eternity. Also, as a Christian, a disciple of Christ, it is my responsibility to share this absolute truth with everyone. I will never force feed it or ram it down your throat but I will make it known. Everyone deserves the opportunity to choose for themselves; I will not stand in their way. God's word cannot be denied, nor can it be altered or changed. Since He is our Creator His Word is the one and only truth and final authority over ALL mankind - whether you choose to believe it or not.

February 22 at 5:15pm

**Stands up**Claps**

Well put, Colin. Amen!

February 22 at 5:22pm

Hope - You are 100% wrong. Man did not create God, God created man. The manifestation of two sides of a coin is human nature denying God's truths. By doing that, people feel they can create truth themselves.

As for religion, I am not a proponent of religion. Why you ask? Because religion is man made. Religions are created by man to hide from the truth that exists in everyones lives, whether they believe it or not. You are correct that we all choose what to believe, and we can be thankful to God for that free will.

I do indeed find religion comical because people are chasing something man made and EVERYTHING made by man will fail. When people depend on man they find despair, greed, destruction, and lies.

Conflict is caused by people who choose to create their own truths.

Religion is not useful for anything except a word to hide behind. I am in no way afraid of any religion because God, yours and mine alike whether you choose to accept Him or not, is bigger than anything man makes. I do reject all religions because they all lack true focus by creating rituals, false gods, and idols.

As for reality, I feel like this conversation is going further from it. What is not reality is the acceptance of everyones beliefs. It is 100% impossible to look at yourself in the mirror and say you follow your own words. If so then you accept murder, pedophilia, and rape as many think these are absolutely acceptable.

February 22 at 5:28pm

Erika - It's not a matter of trying to understand - it's simply acceptance and willingness to understand. When the actions of people or a group cause misery, it's enough to understand that they are struggling with much conflict in their minds.

While that conflict has become so severe that their desires have been seriously distorted, it was born and cultivated all along by lack of acceptance. And adding our own to that only exacerbates what is being focused upon.
The things that you listed above are all manifestations of the conflict that exists in the mind. Each person projects for their perspective into the world, and the less we accept - the more we manifest to find unacceptable.

I Love the verse you quoted. When we look around in the world, we will find much conflict to be focused upon, but when we have peace of mind the world is overcome. That was Jesus' gift - all we have to do is accept it. It's not about believing, but being.

It helps not to fear that other perspectives can deceive you - the next step is acceptance. While God is the creator, the Divine is also not a thing in existence but existence itself. When we realize that, it's also plain that whatever name or face people want to give God - it is only their way of relating.

Jesus IS God (just like everything else - it's just that he unified his self image with his true essence), and he may have sacrificed himself - but all consciousness is creating our reality in the present moment.

Irrespective of which religion we choose, we decide how to use our power of perception to create in the world today.

Every thought is a prayer. Make each one count toward the reality you wish to create.

February 22 at 5:33pm ·

If we are talking about perspectives. Who is to say what struggle or conflict really is. Obviously it is different to everyone. Take rest in the fact that the only real Truth in this world is that God created EVERYTHING.

Hope- being has nothing to do with it. If it weren't for God, you wouldn't have the ability to be. Believing is what matters. Without knowing Jesus Christ, you will never truly experience peace. 'Peace of mind' is temporary. I choose not to put my hope and faith in things that are fleeting. Christ is more powerful than anything you can imagine, make, or believe. Man is nothing without its creator.

I do admire that you believe people's minds are important and that positivity is a good thing. It really is. However, The source of it all makes it possible for you to even be able to have thoughts, energy, and perspective.

Another thing, what exactly do you mean when you say the divine?

February 22 at 5:46pm

Gentlemen -Acceptance is not enjoying or agreeing with anything. It is only a perspective that frees the mind to manifest toward that which we consider an improvement.

Accepting God is accomplished by staying alert and aware of our thoughts so as to allow Godliness to be expressed through us into the world around us.

February 22 at 5:47pm ·

Erika - struggle and conflict are easily identifiable to the individual - it's anything focused upon that causes us to feel the need for control.

God created everything, but creation isn't finished. Existence is an infinite creation.

If God only created us, and then flew up into the sky, we would just wither away. God is the conscious energy that creates and sustains everything. In this way, through our individual awareness, we summon the power of God.

That is how we create our reality, and whether we understand it or not, we are creating in every second.

Let's make our creation glorious!

February 22 at 6:11pm ·

From my perspective, Hope, it seems like you have the need to control your own life. By your definition of struggle and conflict seems to coincide with what you are talking about in this whole conversation. It seems as though you won't let God control your life. I don't want to pry, this is just my perception, and me trying to understand yours. You seek peace, yet the only thing that provides true peace is something you don't seem, or even want, to grasp. Giving your life up to Christ, and cultivating a relationship with Him is the most fulfilling and peaceful thing you could ever do. Nothing you or anyone else can do or create as a human being.

I ask again, "another thing, what exactly do you mean when you say the divine?"

February 22 at 10:51pm

Erika - What I am talking about is releasing control. This release is what creates peace in any moment.

Separation from God can be felt by noticing which thoughts stake our well being on any outcome. Through awareness, we can notice this and return (repent) to align our thoughts with the Divine flow of life that is within us.

Labeling anything as right or wrong, truth or untruth, etc is attachment - an expression of a human need for control. This is how the mind justifies separation from God. No matter what our belief system, labeling and feeling a need to control anything separates our self image from the Divine energy that sustains our being. In separation, we project conflict into the world.

God on the other hand does not look through the prism of mind. The Divine intelligence knows that everything is always a perfect manifestation of all consciousness that precedes it. When we direct our thoughts to be closer to Divine intelligence, we project for our perspective for improvement.

Through acceptance, our energy is shifted from repeating what is to projection for what is possible.

The Divine is all that emanates from God. God is existence - not something separate from it.

Tue at 7:44am ·

Hi Erika, welcome to the circular mumbo jumbo that is the world according to Hope. Good luck getting her to answer a ? she can't. She just likes to throw out a lot of nonsense and insane ramblings to try to keep the focus off of the fact that she cannot support anything she says and that she actually contradicts herself.
Colin- that was awesome! I love you!
Ryan- I am sorry that religion has left a bad taste in your mouth. It isn't all like that and I hope you will let others reach out to you to show you that. The church I go to is very small, no membership required, never passes a plate, we have pot lucks and celebrations of different events. We also are aware that there are different personalities that combine to make up the children of God and just like in our own families we don't always get along. It is unreasonable to ecpect all of us to be "best friends" and that's O.K.

Have a great day everyone and let me just end by saying.

"The difference between God and us is that God never thinks He is us." John Goldingay

Tue at 11:00am

Jill - Your experience of me seems similar to that of the "believers" back in Jesus' day when he was telling them that the Kingdom of God is within them.I leave no question unanswered, it's just that you have predetermined what you will accept as an answer.

Regarding the quote, the idea that God thinks at all is a man-made projection. God is not subject to the limitations of mind. When we subject ourselves to the limitations imposed by labels of the mind, that is rejection of God - that is separation from God.

Tue at 12:07pm ·

Paul

I concur.....half lies always lead to full punishment too....

Tue at 3:02pm

Hi Paul )

Wed at 5:35am

Hello Paul! Thank you for bringing up punishment.

Punishment is not possible without judgment. According to The Bible, Jesus said “Judge not lest you be judged”.

Despite this very straightforward admonishment, many of us still believe that judging our truth as “right” and others as “wrong” is a worthwhile way to exert control. In reality, all punishment experienced in the world is created by belief in the judgments we make through individual perception.

It is our own belief in judgment and punishment that make it a reality in our experience. Terrorists, murderers, pedophiles, etc. are all examples of the punishment we have created for ourselves.

Through judgment we continue to be our own stumbling block for the evolution of humanity toward a harmonious world. Free will gives us the choice, and we choose with every thought.

Wed at 8:29am ·

There HAS to be chemical abuse going on here.......WOW!!!
Time to break out my crystals & tarot cards............

Wed at 9:51am

LOL

Wed at 9:55am

Chemicals are one way to avoid reality. That's why prescription drug use is at an all-time high, and perfectly acceptable according to most believers.

The other way we avoid the depth of reality is by believing everything we have been conditioned to believe. When we are so conditioned, an open mind seems bizarre and so we reject it without real consideration.

Penetrate through the confines of mind, you are so much more than what you think!

Wed at 10:34am ·

Hope- what is the point of trying to convince us of what you believe, ie. continuing this conversation, if you didn't think we were all wrong? Am I wrong in saying that you are judging us and our beliefs, which would, by your explanations, be gaining control? Like I said before, laws help prevent turmoil, meaning there must be punishment for wrong-doing. I also believe that the verse you quoted was not meant for us to not judge right and wrong. That is a part of every day life. We are not to judge others. Making a judgment of something is different than making a judgment about someone. How could right and wrong even be in existence of it weren't for judgment.
This also begs the question: do you not think we should have a judicial system?

If you read the book of revelation, you will understand that, sadly, our world will never be 'harmonious'. People are sinful. The Bible clearly states that the world, and especially the government will be going downhill, (which is happening now),which all points to the day that Christ will come back. I cannot wait for that day, because I know that the world, as magnificent as God created it, is becoming a bad place because of man's sinful nature. I want to be made new and rejoice with our heavenly Father and dance on the streets of Gold in praise.

Wed at 10:41am

...and you, troubled soul, are so much farther gone than you think....as Colin so succinctly put it, "..you talk in circles"...and I'm getting dizzy!!

Wed at 10:44am

Erika- in Heaven I will actually be able to dance I'll see you there.

Wed at 10:45am

Jill- I look forward to meeting you and dancing together!

Wed at 10:47am

Erika - I am so grateful for all of your questions.

I do not want to give anyone new beliefs or change their current beliefs, I am only pointing out that we are not our minds. We are spirit that transcends the mind, and while we are choosing our beliefs - those beliefs are creating our reality here and now.

Do you have any doubt that humans are creating in this reality?

I don't think anyone is wrong and do not need to be right. I accept all beliefs as products of our thinking process, but do not consider any of them to be right or wrong.

I love what you said "how could right and wrong even be in existence if it weren't for judgment". That is absolutely how it happens - through judgment of the mind. That is why it's important to remember that any judgment being made is just our mind, and our true self transcends mind.

Judging certain behavior or truths as right or wrong is an automatic judgment of anyone who engages in what we have labeled "wrong". This is how the most well meaning among us still judge people. Hence the Bible verse - "no one is righteous" (I'm paraphrasing).

Whether we should or should not have anything is another judgment. As far as a judicial system goes, the more laws we make, the more criminal behavior we create. Likewise, the more jails and prisons we build, the more people tend to belong within them.

But we don't need to start shutting down the judicial system. When most people awaken to the Self beyond the mind, these things will gracefully fall away.

I have read the book of Revelation, and I have a deep understanding of it. Sin is our identification with our minds instead of our true Self. The mind can't help but be sinful because it sees everything through the concept of separation. That's how you know yourself to be a person, separate from everything else.

In separation, there can never be harmony. But, we are also conscious beings - intricately connected to the source of everything and all other beings, and when we direct our thoughts into alignment with our inner (not mind) intelligence, the essence of our inner Being can become our predominant expression through our physical bodies and minds. That Being is pure, innocent spirit - not capable of sin because it is Divine.

When we harmonize our self-image with the Self that is infinite - that is the Kingdom of Heaven. This is not something to wait for. It is here now, and we are directing it with every thought.

This is what Jesus was talking about, and I can only hope that I am making it clear enough for human understanding. Thank you so much for taking the time to grasp what I'm attempting to explain - and for your feedback.

Wed at 1:34pm ·

"Labeling anything as right or wrong, truth or untruth, etc is attachment - an expression of a human need for control.This is how the mind justifies separation from God. ...
No matter what our belief system, labeling and feeling a need to control anything separates our self image from the Divine energy that sustains our being. In separation, we project conflict into the world."
Hope Johnson 5 posts up.

Adam and Eve were not separated from God when they tried to assert their "human need for control"

Gen 3:1 "Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?"
Gen 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;
Gen 3:3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.' "
Gen 3:4 The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!
Gen 3:5 "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Gen 3:6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

The conflict they projected IS separation from God.

Erika- I know you know all of this but as Christians we have a responsibility to protect others from false doctrine and there may be someone reading along with this that needs that protection.

Wed at 2:49pm

Jill - This story says it all. Look deep into the meaning. Adam and Even gained the knowledge of good and evil from the tree of knowledge - this is identification with the mind. We cannot know the difference without it.

What died there in the garden was innocence. When we identify ourselves as the mind, we cast judgment, and all innocence is lost.

The knowledge that they gained was worldly wisdom through the prism of mind. This is the beginning of all "sin" aka separation from God.

We remain cast out of the garden because we continue to believe in separation as our only possible reality. Free will gives us the ability to return to the garden, but we keep succumbing to the temptation and delight in our worldly knowledge.

Wed at 3:05pm ·

Hope- The "story" as you called it does say it all without any help from you. The fact that you think you have to explain things to everyone smacks of your desperate need to be dominant and in control. I am still waiting for your explanation of how you are such an authority on what the Word of God says. I think for the most part it is very obvious for even the young to understand. After all Christ did instruct us :
"Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it {at all.}" Luke 18: 17.

That certainly contradicts your continued statements that "we just aren't looking deep enough or don't understand the real meaning".

So faith {comes} from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. Rom. 10:17

This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Gal. 3:2

I think I'll keep my faith right where it is at thank you very much and you have the free will to keep your faith were it is at.

Wed at 3:47pm

Jill - Do you understand what "like a child" means? Is it not innocence? I can interpret The Bible because I know innocence - like a child. In this way, I can enter the kingdom of God as well.

I am sharing this with you because I love you as much as I love myself. Indeed, we are the same - unified in spirit. I can see you lost in darkness, and I am sharing some Light to show you what you have been missing.

While I share openly, I have no need for desperation or control. Each of us will return to innocence in our own time, and we will bask in the glory of all that we have overcome together.

As for the verses on faith, being innocent requires unwavering faith. Looking around in the world today, most believers would say it's impossible to be innocent and not cast judgment - how would we choose who gets punished? they say.

By grace we are saved through faith. But we are without faith when we choose to cast judgment, and thus we cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Of course, we can always repent (return to our true Self), and accept the gift of the Kingdom in any moment.

Wed at 4:14pm ·

For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR? Rom. 11:34

Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, Or as His counselor has informed Him? Isa. 40:13

Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you. They are leading you into futility; They speak a vision of their own imagination, Not from the mouth of the LORD. Jer. 23:16

I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service,
even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;
and the grace of our Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus.
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.
Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
This command I entrust to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you fight the good fight,
keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. 1 Timothy 1:12-19

Wed at 6:50pm

The Word of God is the absolute and only truth! This is non-negotiable and undeniable. Any addition to, or omission of, the Word of God is blasphemy, deceitful and sinful in nature. All this other warm fuzzy feeling, choose your own adventure, outlandish, idiosyncratic, hocus-pocus, doublespeak, tomfoolery is false witness, idolatry and is punishable by eternal damnation. This is not my thought, transcended mind, imagination or unnecessary judgement of behavior; it is the spoken word of God the Father in Heaven - Creator and Judge of ALL creation. PERIOD!

Wed at 8:11pm

Amen! I think we have a new record in how many comments were posted under one of Colin's status'. Well done. Give yourself a pat on the back, buddy!

Wed at 11:17pm

Preach it, Brother!!!!!!.........can someone make sure Hope doesn't miss bed-check?

Yesterday at 9:12am

Jesus left us with only two commandments, and I believe all of you know what they are. If you consider those commandments to be the Word of God, you would not choose judgment.

If everyone followed those two commandments with every thought, we would create Heaven. But instead, believers go on believing that they are somehow separate from what IS, they take no responsibility, and only wait for someone to take them somewhere else - all the while creating this world to represent the Hell that they seek to avoid.

The choice you are making is unconscious because it is not aligned with the real you. Your beliefs are based on strong emotion such as fear, shame, guilt (this is apparent within your words). But your spirit is not ruled by emotion, and when you unify, you can free yourselves from this perpetual cycle of highs and lows.

You are all seekers at the core of your Being. Your ego is afraid of new information, and that's why you reject it outright. But YOU are always seeking to unify with your ego, and that's why you have attracted me.

I am greatly honored and humbled by this opportunity to share with you. ♥

Yesterday at 10:33am ·

Hope, if your idea of heaven is actually on earth, right now, then, in your mind, what happens when we die? nothing? Do you think we turn into a tree from the ground? Heaven is not something man can create. If it were, it would be far from perfection, no matter how many commandments you follow, how much positivity you have, unifying your spirit (not quite sure what all that would entail), or just being. Heaven was created by God (ALONE!) for us to spend eternity with Him after our time on this planet is over. Even if you were to achieve getting everyone to believe and do what you say, I think you would be surprised. Being positive, and all that jazz you speak of, does not take away our sinful nature, therefore, creating a less than perfect world. Which also makes me wonder, if you think you are God, or that God is you, or whatever, would you say that you do nothing wrong? (you can be quite confusing at times, just want clarification). I am confident that when I say this, I am speaking for all of us Christians. This 'choice' you speak of that we have made is not because of fear, shame or guilt. That would be your wrong interpretation of the things we have discussed, in the same instance that you have wrongly interpreted the Bible. I am sorry if anything we have said was so unclear to the point where you would interpret it so incorrectly, that was not our intent.
Perhaps your choice to, from my perspective, pick and choose different passages to refer to, while neglecting very important other ones, is done because of fear or guilt.

Yesterday at 2:30pm

Erika - We don't die, our consciousness is infinite - it doesn't require a physical body. After we lose our physical body, we are still part of everything but we are not so narrowly focused. Other than that, it is a mystery -I'm not here to solve it but to live it.

What I tell you has been revealed to me - it's not something I believe in my mind, but something I have experienced. These experiences are not explainable, but I do my best to reveal the way for people to have their own experiences.

Heaven is not something man can create because man believes the extremes presented by the mind. Beyond mind there is only balance, and when we can direct our self-image toward that balance, we are creating our perspective of heaven from the expression of our Being (not human mind)

The belief that we are incapable of creating Heaven is the reason we create a lot of the opposite. From the basis of our beliefs, actions follow - and every thought affects everything else.

Everything is created by God alone, like you said. There is only one God, and everything in existence is it. God is only referred to as a male because the Bible was written by men - but God contains both male and female aspects in perfect balance.

I don't want anyone to believe what I say. I share because I want to encourage each person on their own journey of discovery. We are connected, but have separate awareness, and every perspective will be different. But the more we seek, the more connected we will become - and peace will prevail.

Our true nature is not sinful. You are talking about the self-image again (the nature of mind). No one can do wrong - we all only do the best we can given the information and understanding available to us at the time. When our self-image is completely aligned with the understanding that everything is connected, our thoughts and actions can only be Divine. Everything else is a manifestation of our degree of disconnectedness.

I know this can be confusing and I appear to talk in circles. That's because what I'm pointing to is unfathomable - there are no absolutes like in the physical world.

I can see that your beliefs are coming from certain emotions because many of the Christian comments on this post threaten punishment/eternal damnation, or speak of me as a deceiver, insane etc. simply because I accept all truths and all people who profess those truths. These are indicative of rigid thoughts and judgment cast upon fellow humans. This is conflict.

I'm not sure which Biblical passages you find more important than the last two commandments of Jesus, but I would be open to discussing any such passage with you.

Thanks again for your questions. I appreciate them very much.

A Christian Experience

thewaytoTheWay — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:50:51 +0000

Most religious followers believe that some of their fellow humans are going to a "hell" that is separate from this world. This creates major conflict in the mind which manifests as conflict in our lives and in the world.

When these self limiting beliefs are confronted with the truth, the followers tend to become fearful and perceive themselves as being victimized by the one exposing that which is limiting them. Each person has the built-in ability to work through religious fear and self-victimization, but the first step is directing ones own awareness upon the beliefs that are causing them struggle.

Below is a transcript of one of my recent experiences with devout Christians on Facebook. I have taken out all profile pictures and last names (except mine) in order to protect the identity of those who contributed.

Colin.... If you haven't committed your life to Christ I strongly recommend it. Not only does it positively impact your eternal destination but it drastically improves your daily life as well. He does not promise to make it easier, per say, but knowing Him and experiencing His grace will help ease your mind, lighten your load and lessen your burden. AMEN!

-Sharaih

AMEN!~ xoxo

February 5 at 10:37pm

Amen is right sista. I hope you are doing well; I know the Lord has you on a good path! xoxo

February 5 at 10:50pm

Kathy

Amen! Amen!

February 5 at 11:29pm

Jeffry

AMEN BROTHA!

February 6 at 9:36am

A stable mind IS an easy life. The idea that we have a heavy load or a burden is only a matter is perspective. It's good to hear that your perspective is being directed toward peace of mind - which is the birthright of every person. ♥

February 6 at 9:53am ·

Amen brother, You are so right, Jesus said "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and You will find rest for your souls. "For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
Matt 11:28-30

February 6 at 4:25pm

"Lead me to the cross
Where Your love poured out
Bring me to my knees
Lord I lay me down
Rid me of myself
I belong to You"

February 6 at 4:39pm

Amen Rob, I love that passage from Matthew 11; thank you for sharing.

February 6 at 5:42pm

Jill, I Love your comment; so spot on!
Jeffry, good to see you on here and loving the Lord as well. I could not imagine my life without Christ firmly planted and rooted in the middle of it. Covering me with his abundant grace and love.

February 6 at 5:44pm

God is the source of all things, and since Christ is God, he is firmly rooted in the center of everyone's lives. God is the one witnessing life experiences through our eyes and the same one that creates and sustains our being. There is no way we can even be separate.

February 6 at 6:31pm ·

Jesus said: "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world......Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; Matt 25:31-34&41

February 7 at 4:02am

Know the voice of fear by its feeling. All conflict, struggle and burden in the mind originate from thoughts that evoke extreme emotions. God is Love - let your thoughts be centered there and find eternal peace. ♥

February 7 at 6:00am ·

Know the voice of Jesus: "Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. "I and the Father are one ."John 10:25-30

February 7 at 11:48am

Hey Colin, look what you did I love you!

February 7 at 12:05pm

Life is infinite, but each life experience is a gift of opportunity to live Love in every moment.

Love is at the center of every person, and it cannot be "snatched" by anyone or anything. Love is never lost - it only becomes shrouded by individual thoughts that resist its Divine rhythm and flow.

All are Love, all are God, smile!

February 7 at 12:21pm ·

Yes Colin. Look what you did! Thank you. I love all of you. ♥

February 7 at 12:24pm ·

"This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time'
1 Tim 2:3-6

February 7 at 1:24pm

What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; as it is written,
" There is none righteous, not even one;
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one."
" Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,"
" The poison of asps is under their lips";
" Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness";
" Their feet are swift to shed blood,
Destruction and misery are in their paths,
And the path of peace have they not known."
" There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Romans 3:9-18

February 7 at 1:30pm

Jesus said: "But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.19 "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications , thefts, false witness, slanders.20 "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man."
Matt 15:18-20

February 7 at 1:33pm

"For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death.22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit , resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 6:20-23

February 7 at 1:36pm

The key to living God's will is to unify the human self with the infinite Self. For further clarification of this understanding, please refer to my latest article: http://www.thewaytotheway.com/2010/02/08/i-am-the-infinite-i-am/

February 8 at 7:09am ·

"So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. "And the son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.' "But the father said to his slaves, 'Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet; and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate; for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.' And they began to celebrate. Luke 15:20-24 " We're praying to YHWH (Yahweh, Jehovah; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; The True and Living God) for your return.

Tue at 5:30am

One of my all time favorite Bible stories! No matter how much or for how long we forget who we are, we are always welcome and always loved. Its just a matter of remembering that you are the real YOU and not your self image.

Tue at 6:50am ·

I hope that you will remember who you are, you are a child of God and you will always be welcome and loved by our Father.
There will be a point in your life when it is too late to "return home" to our Father and no matter how enlightened you feel now you will see the Light.

Tue at 2:51pm

I am the Light! This is not a test, and there is no time in eternity other than now. The past is just memories and the future is pure potential, but now is the pivot point from which creation unfolds.

Jesus understood this when he said repeatedly and urgently that The Kingdom of God is at Hand. Instead of heeding these important words, organized religion is doing the same thing 2000 years later - as if "at hand" meant sometime in the very distant future - and conforming to their belief system and biblical interpretation will get you there.

Heaven is not behind a cloud or on some distant planet somewhere in the future. It is within each of us. Embrace it and radiate it through your very presence in this world.

Tue at 4:15pm ·

No it is not a test and yes there is no time in eternity it will have no end. The past cannot be changed and we are not promised tomorrow.
The kingdom of God is at hand meaning you will not know the future and when Christ will return. Are you ready? I think not. I do not believe "at hand" to be some time in the distant future but a time unknown to me. As far as Biblical interpretation I would like to point out how you continually make interpretations with out any substance to support the outlandish claims. You also seem to enjoy picking and choosing the things that make you feel "warm and fuzzy" but it is to be taken as a whole with a bulit in warning at the very end to makle sure people do not add to or take from the "complete word of God".
You are not God, I Am, Christ, Heaven ... you are not convincing anyone here to change our thinking and I am sorry to admit that you are beyond what I would consider to be reachable by normal human efforts. Fortunately for you God is much more than you can ever be on your own and nothing is impossible for Him. Therefore, I will continue to pray for you, your family and all who you have communications with. There are very lost people out there who unfortunately can be persuaded by you.

Colin- I love you and am done with this. Let's talk elsewhere )

Tue at 7:17pm

I am not God on my own, and neither is anyone else. We are ALL God in the sense that God is the source of our spirit.

As soon as we understand that the self image is not our real identity, we can realize that our higher consciousness IS God. Or we can continue identifying with the ego self, and be followers because we are afraid not to.

Either way, all are loved, and we get as many chances as necessary to make the connection with our real Self. In the meantime, our lives and the world will continue to manifest as a representation of the thoughts that creates them.

I love you Jill. This message is nothing to be afraid of. I'm just a part of you presenting an opportunity to see yourself without the shroud of the self image. You don't have to change your religion to do that - just open your mind let go of fear. The rest is easy!

Wed at 7:44am ·

You think I am afraid of you? I am afraid for you. My self image is fine (I don't know you and you have no idea who I am). You can try all you want to make yourself sound like a better person than I am. I am not trying to manipulate anyone.
I am sorry that you made the choice to deny God as the Creator and Ruler over all, but denying His authority over you will not change the truth. The truth is that He has always been here, will always be here and you are but a speck in time. Christ and the Holy Spirit are the only others from the beginning with God. You are not as important as you think you are.
Get back to me when you have created something from nothing. Get back to me when you can raise the dead and have been raised. Get back to me when you can walk on water. Get back to me when you can feed thousands with the contents of your son's lunchbox. Get back to me when you can heal the blind, deaf, leper etc. Get back to me when Satan and his demons are afraid of you. Get back to me when...well you get it.
But don't get back to me with more of your "messages of self". Self confidence and self assurance can be a very bad thing it can make one believe they can do anything. Even good things can get you into trouble.

Wed at 8:14am

Fear is fear. Even if we believe we are directing it toward something or somewhere else, it is an emotion that resists the balanced flow of spirit to us and through us.

I do not know your self image, but I know your real Self - powerful, pure, Unconditional Love, and free of emotions, burden and struggle.

God is not a thing in existence - God is existence itself. Jill and Hope exist in this time-space experience, but the energy that sustains our personas is none other than the Divine, the Infinite, the All Knowing - Existence.
With much love, admiration, and appreciation for this delightful discussion.

Wed at 9:18am ·

Hope, if you don't believe everything that Jesus said, you must think he is a liar or wrong an awful lot. Why would you quote a liar to back your position? Jesus is my Lord and savior, So let’s talk about all that He said. Jesus said "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. "So then, you will know them by their fruits. Matt 7:15-20

Wed at 12:36pm

Jesus says heaven and earth are two differnt places."Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.20 "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal;21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.Matt 6:19-21

Wed at 12:37pm

Jesus said "Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel.11 "I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 8:10-12

Wed at 12:41pm

Jesus said: "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels."So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. "Then The righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
Matt 13:37-43

Wed at 12:47pm

Jesus said: "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind; and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away."So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 13:47-50

Wed at 12:48pm

Jesus Said "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. "For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? "For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds .
"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
Matt 16:24-28

Wed at 12:50pm

Jesus was not a liar, just misunderstood by the masses. It's the same now as it was back then.

There is so much to understand from the verses quoted above, yet so little understanding. Heaven is not literally a different place. It's all about how we identify ourselves - whether we identify ourselves as the self we have created through memory, or as the Divine spirit that is the source of our being.

Jesus came to let us know that anyone can have this connection to the source no matter their deeds, social status, etc. He consistently railed against organized religion of that day because they were all about ritual, doctrine and control - with no substance.

Not much has changed. We must have the eyes to see and the ears to hear, otherwise the message is missed.

Consider that most Christians are missing the message. If you have the courage to do so, forget your religious conditioning and look with a childlike mind. Then you can be like an empty vessel, prepared to see a far more meaningful meaning behind and between the actual words.

Not being of this world means not having our perception affected by it. This is the most difficult thing to be done, and the one thing that allows us to radiate with the Divine Light.

All of the rituals and conditioned beliefs just comfort the self image while disregarding the spirit.

Wed at 2:02pm ·

Hope, are you stating that the words of Jesus were not transcribed accurately in the original Greek (in which case how would know what Jesus came for?) Or that the more than 5600 Greek manuscripts with a 99.5% agreement have not been translated in to English correctly? (in which case are you a Greek scholar?)

Wed at 6:50pm

Rob and Jill, thank you for sharing so many wonderful scriptures to enlighten and encourage us during this challenging time for our world. There is so much deception and trickery that Satan is spreading throughout society; many people are being mislead and don't even realize it. Everything must be taken back to The Word; if it measures up then it is sound doctrine, if not watch out. Remain strong in your faith, continually seeking God and He will find you where you are at.

Wed at 9:29pm

Agreed Colin. The problem with deception is that it is so deceiving. But if you are grounding yourself in The Word, The Holy Spirit will be keeping alert for "the deceiver" on your behalf. How awesome to be able to spot the deception before it gets ahold of you.
I love you, bro. Hope you get a business trip here soon

Yesterday at 4:27am

Rob - it's not so much about the words themselves. It's about the meaning behind them. The words of Jesus are for you and me, to be taken personally - not to be interpreted by religious society.

What is being referring to as The Word was voted on by a Roman council. Indeed, much of what Jesus said has been edited or omitted as "not authorized". Staking one's whole life on an "authorized" version of the Bible sounds a lot more like superstition than spirituality.

Also, believing that some of your fellow humans are evil or deceitful because they don't fall lock step with your world view is a heavy burden for the mind to bear. This is actually a form of self punishment that causes much unnessary suffering.

I'm grateful to see each of you just as worthy of God's Kingdom as everyone else.

With much love and abundant blessings.

Yesterday at 7:48am ·

Just answer the question that is being asked (for once). Be clear and put your money where your mouth is (so to speak). If you think you are soooo right in your "religious beliefs" then be clear in what you beleive.

"Hope, are you stating that the words of Jesus were not transcribed accurately in the original Greek (in which case how would know what Jesus came for?) Or that the more than 5600 Greek manuscripts with a 99.5% agreement have not been translated in to English correctly? (in which case are you a Greek scholar?)"
(per Rob's previous post)

Just answer.

Yesterday at 9:39am

Jill - you seem to be in a battle right now. There is no conflict here, and nobody to prove right or wrong. You're only engaging me out of your own soul's intention to be found and acknowledged by you.

Spirituality isn't a group journey, it is a personal one. It isn't found by looking at anything in the material world - it is only found within.

When you connect with your real Self, this need to fight against "others" and prove your ego "right" will subside, and in every moment you will find peace.

To answer your question, I know because Jesus is the real me and I am him. There is no separation.

Wisdom of this world is foolishness with God - yet you only accept proof in the form of scholarly degrees and authorized writings to support your relationship with the Divine.

I invite you to rest, be peaceful, and let the beautiful rhythm of your awareness lead you home. You are Unconditional Love - let that be your guide.

Yesterday at 10:33am ·

"Jesus was not a liar, just misunderstood by the masses"
(as per Hope's previous post)

Answer this question...You are throwing a bunch of words out at a question that only requires a simple answer in order to try to hide the fact that you can't really give an answer.
Where exactly do you think the problem lies? How has the misunderstanding occurred? in the transcription or the translation of the manuscripts?

Yesterday at 10:46am

Your question has been answered - just not in the manner you expected. Look again. Nothing is being hidden - it's all in plain sight if you give yourself the eyes to see it. ♥

Yesterday at 11:16am ·

I suppose that not giving a clear answer is in itself an answer. Maybe this inability to clearly respond to direct questions without feeling the need to hide behind lots of "filler" and "fluff" will cause you to want to get more answers for yourself. Maybe you are finding it a little troubling to not really know what you really believe or why. I would like to suggest that you investigate this further on your own and I will pray for clarity for you from the Holy Spirit. If you are actively seeking honest answers you will find them. But be surprised by what you discover because deep down in your soul I know that you know that you are missing "something". That something is God.

Yesterday at 11:36am

I think you cannot give an answer about Christ becasue this whole "I am god" way of thinking is intended to take Christ out of the equation. If Satan can do that then he thinks he has won because he knows that the ONLY way to The Father is through Christ and if you make Christ a non-issue by calling yourself god then you cannot get to God.

Yesterday at 11:52am

God is existence. That means everything in existence can't help but be God. Satan is only real inasmuch as it is created in the mind. In that regard it/he can only "win" to the extent that we lack understanding.

Do you understand what going "through" Christ means? Does one literally go through his body, or does this have a figurative meaning to you?

Why do you fear for me? Is it because you Love me and don't want me to suffer? If I don't end up suffering, will you be wrong? Either way, does this belief give you peace?

Does simply believing, worshipping and following the group mean that you have a free ticket to this Heaven that exists somewhere else, or can we have a personal connection here and feel Heaven now?

These are not questions that I want you to answer for me, but an invitation to look within for the answers.

Yesterday at 12:33pm ·

Hope, If you are Jesus like you claim, why did you warn us of people like you comming and claiming to be Jesus? "And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ ,' and will mislead many.Matt 24:4-5
Wouldn't this be a really stupid thing to say if you belived that all are Jesus as you claim.

Yesterday at 1:26pm

I am just as much Jesus as I am the real you. We are all connected. I'm not saying I'm him and you should follow me.

The ones coming in his name trying to deceive you are those who insist that you must believe a certain way, follow certain rituals, and abide by group rules - instead of your inner guidance. This happened shortly after his death and is still happening today.

Yesterday at 2:35pm ·

Hope, the fact is: Jesus is not a pantheist. No matter how much you want to misinterpret some of His words and ignore the rest, His teachings just don’t fit pantheism. Maybe you should just stick to quoting your fellow pantheists, Hume, Spinoza, and the like; those that prescribe to your world view.
If you’re going to speak of Jesus’ teachings please reference them, so you do not mislead others. Is it too much too ask that you let us Christians live a surrendered life to Christ in the peace that is beyond understanding. What do you have to gain by being a stumbling block, if this life is heaven and when we pass we are absorbed into all (like you teach), let us be?
If the teaching of God (Yahweh, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) is correct we have so much to look forward to, why do you want to take our hope from us? We don’t live in fear; we live in Joy, peace and are Loved unconditionally by our Heavenly Father, who has adopted us as sons. Hope, the God of the Bible Loves you so much that he will not force you to choose Him, even though it is His will that all should come to repentance, He is willing to set aside His will, so that you can apply your own will, If that is what you want.

Yesterday at 6:55pm